Comments on: Patriarchal values and the death penalty

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By: rachelabsinthe

rachelabsinthe — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 06:44:28 +0000

Pro or anti-death penalty views are welcome here but immaturity, maliciousness and vulgar sexist remarks are not.

I do not agree with you but I respect your right to have your opinions.

I stand by my opinions and because I disagree with murder, I will not be a hypocrite by supporting state murder. That is my stand.

Here is a group you might be interested in reading about by the way: http://www.mvfhr.org/

And thanks for popping by with your opinions.

Cheers and have a good afternoon!

By: Jigs

Jigs — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 06:20:06 +0000

Our friend above is pro death penalty. Don’t agree with you Rachel. It is very easy to be on the other side of the fence and talk about love and goodwill and be all goody goody. Yes this should be the base for humanity but for humans not for demons. Punishment also has it’s place and for a crime of this magnitude, punishment has to be equally extreme. We are not trying to make a joke out of this are we, by feeding these mosters with tax payers money for rest of their lives? Amanat’s father is a tax payer too. Death penalty is actullay very less, these 6 should be tourtured the same way to the extend that they beg for death. You are being very disrespectful to Amanat. In her statement to Delhi police she had asked for these men to be burned alive. Her wish should be granted. She has the right to be judge in this case, not you or me. This has happened to her, not you and me or any of the naive bloggers here. There was room for lesser penalty is they would have have just killed someone in one stroke without the tourture. Peace and well being to all except these monsters and wishing such an incident never ever happens to any living being. May Amanat be happy and peaceful whereever she is and may her perpetrators face horrific ends.

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Delhi Rape Case Sparks Death Penalty Debate in Singapore :: Elites TV — Wed, 09 Jan 2013 19:16:44 +0000

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By: Ah See

Ah See — Sun, 06 Jan 2013 18:23:06 +0000

dont be too quick to stereotype religous conservatives as pàrt of belief structures which opress the vulnerable. There are religious conservatives who believe in justice issues and who are inclined to see the viewpoint of progressives.

By: ah gong/goodboy5

ah gong/goodboy5 — Sat, 05 Jan 2013 06:32:21 +0000

hello! your first point is right. in a society, where it is very patriarchal and ‘tradition-based’, there is a lot of discrimination and blame towards the ‘oppressed’ and yes, many crimes against women are constantly blamed on the women themselves .
i think that it is also a given that women in the society has been socialised since birth to accept that men is the ‘absolute authority’ and therefore it is thus ‘natural’ for them to support men, who are often the perpetrators in sexual violence.
i honestly think that before even talking about gender equality, it is even more important to give education to women. women are often denied education in patriarchal societies and so they MUST receive education to escape the clutches of the patriarchal society. Give them education and it could possibly enlighten them on the discrimination that they are facing.
you are very right but you must focus on the macro factors that are affecting india’s society. imo, it isn’t wise to go straight into details

i think that the death penalty should be meted out to the perpetrators of the rape incident. i really think that india has a ‘failed’ judiciary system and what more, a broken law enforcement system. there is simply no point implementing ‘soft’ measures when it can’t be enforced at all!
gender equality and egalitarianism is one thing, but how long do you want to wait before that is achieved without the use of ‘fear’ to control the people?
in a society that is based on tradition and values, fear is the best way to control people from deviance, especially in one with an ‘uncivilised’ society.
implementing the death penalty will be a ‘sure’ deterrent from preventing such brutality from happening again and while that is in effect, india can work to become a more egalitarian society
(and of course, the decision as to whether the death penalty still needs to be retained under ‘egalitarian’ circumstances)

[and the commentators that insulted you are quite dumb, it is quite obvious from all the gender insults they gave you, we know whose side they are really on, unconsciously ]

peace to you and nice article

god bless

By: Charles

Charles — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 11:33:59 +0000

Well-thought out blog post, Rachel. I had similar thoughts on this particular incident i.e. how patriarchy and religious conservatism are the belief structures responsible for perpetuating violence and discrimination against women globally. I think many of us can understand how calls for the death penalty towards the perpetuators has become a highly charged and emotional reaction against her death and what it symbolises and/ or represents to those living (and who wants justice to be done). If we allow ourselves to enter into a more rational thinking mode with some distance, justice is never equivalent to mob rule (or even majoritarian opinion).

By: rachelabsinthe

rachelabsinthe — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 07:54:12 +0000

First you accused me of not maintaining my stand against the death penalty, then when I clarified that you have misread my post you tell me that I should be doing the opposite, along with all your vulgar crap. Do you think I really take people like you seriously?

You talk about the Singapore Police Force? Right. I hope you know that you are not exactly anonymous even though you try your best to be.

Anyway, you should spend your time elsewhere, doing something more productive instead of making vulgar attempts to “hurt” me. I don’t give a shit about “anonymous” trolls like you online to be honest. There is a huge difference between malicious trolling and civilised disagreement. The former will do anything to slam someone, the latter will actually think deeper about the issue.

No prizes for guessing rightly which category you belong to.

Goodbye.

By: chongpang

chongpang — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 06:47:31 +0000

You need to be a VICTIM yourself! Is a bitch like you that even your Sg Minister is concerned..Taiwan just hanged 7 notorious criminals for crime to describe you would not believe,in fudal system, YOU AND YOUR FAMILY should be skined, raped, touture for harboring and keeping such evil intend of the heart, YOU SHOULD GO TO INDIA, THE LADY SHOULD NOT BE DEAD AND RAPED, IS YOU! I CHALLENGE YOU TO DO THAT AND WITH YOU GUTS, BITCH CUNT AND BELEIFS, WHY NOT DO INSTEAD OF HAVING SG POLICE AND PEOPLE PROTECTING YOU AND YOUR FAMILY, go to be fooked there and DOT JUST TALK WITH YOU BITCH CUNT!